16 years
Is anyone seeing bookings down through other booking engines too?
I'd go back to Europe for a couple of months if the dollar were stronger. Maybe Americans are going to Mexico or closer, cheaper destinations?
Something weird unfolds.
Our number of bookings through Hostelworld in October 2008, compared with October 2007, is 4% down in Vienna and 16% down in Munich. That has never happened before. Since 8 years, Hostelworld sales went in only one direction: up.
Now, Hostelworld also shows the number of bookings city-wide compared to the previous month.
Munich: -19%
Vienna: -17%
Berlin: -12%
So: the rest of the hostels in town are even worse off. You may say that less bookings in October isn´t unusual, because season is over. However, it is unusual. This is October 2007 compared with September 2007:
Munich: +20%
Vienna +3%
Berlin +2%
I had a closer look to find out what´s going on and looked at the "customer analysis" - that shows where the people who made bookings are from.
Compared to October 2007, the number of Americans is 39% down in Munich and 22% down in Vienna. There are also less Britons and Canadians, though not that much.
Then I checked if I missed something and compared the months before to the same in 2007 - nothing unusual.
So: this may either be a huge and very rare outlier or something very serious is going on. Until September, 20% of our guests were Americans. They won´t be easily replaced.
Check your recent guest statistics - is it the same everywhere?
16 years
Is anyone seeing bookings down through other booking engines too?
I'd go back to Europe for a couple of months if the dollar were stronger. Maybe Americans are going to Mexico or closer, cheaper destinations?
16 years
Ah. I didn´t even think about other booking sites. Good point, but that´s not really my question. I was only referring to Hostelworld because you have the proper statistics handily available there.
What I´m interested in is: wassup with Americans. Are they stopping to travel all of a sudden? Anyone else experiencing a decrease of American guests recently?
What could be the reasons, err, apart from general panic about economy? Many of them seem to travel on credit cards, spending money they do not (yet) have. Are there anectotes about thightened (or cancelled) credit? We have a suspicious number of invalid credit cards when we charge no-shows.
16 years
Something weird unfolds.
Our number of bookings through Hostelworld in October 2008, compared with October 2007, is 4% down in Vienna and 16% down in Munich. That has never happened before. Since 8 years, Hostelworld sales went in only one direction: up.
Indeed. However, it is a principle of capitalism that it is impossible to have infinite expansion in a definite environment. Should we say that HW is in a crisis, a bubble just waiting to be burst? :rolleyes:
I stated in enough previous threads that why HW's monopoly on the market is not good for us. I won't repeat myself.
Now, Hostelworld also shows the number of bookings city-wide compared to the previous month.
Munich: -19%
Vienna: -17%
Berlin: -12%
So: the rest of the hostels in town are even worse off. You may say that less bookings in October isn´t unusual, because season is over. However, it is unusual. This is October 2007 compared with September 2007:
Munich: +20%
Vienna +3%
Berlin +2%
Budapest is -26% on last month. Unfortunately can't provide you statistics about previous year, but we have -35% less bookings up to date comparing to previous month. At least our walk ins can compensate it.
I had a closer look to find out what´s going on and looked at the "customer analysis" - that shows where the people who made bookings are from.
Compared to October 2007, the number of Americans is 39% down in Munich and 22% down in Vienna. There are also less Britons and Canadians, though not that much.Then I checked if I missed something and compared the months before to the same in 2007 - nothing unusual.
So: this may either be a huge and very rare outlier or something very serious is going on. Until September, 20% of our guests were Americans. They won´t be easily replaced.
Check your recent guest statistics - is it the same everywhere?
Our major nationalities are (IMHO just like mostly elsewhere): Aussies, Americans and Brits.
September '07 stats:
AUS: 32%
USA: 14%
UK: 13%
Overall: 60%
October '07 stats:
AUS: 30%
USA: 30%
UK: 8%
Overall: 68%
BUT:
September '08 stats:
AUS: 18%
USA: 11%
UK: 10%
Overall: 39%
October '08 stats:
AUS: 21%
USA: 16%
UK: 4,5%
Overall: 41,5%
So what we have here comparing to last year? 30% less Aussies due the weak AUD, 50% less Americans due the financial crisis and 20% less Brits due the bad economy in the UK. Overall 30% less of the major nationalities.
About Americans, most of them travels on a debt instead of savings (this is a typical American thing, being in debt for your whole life), either from a bank (that's hard nowadays) or from daddy's credit (I don't think many of them can afford such luxury now).
I wonder how many 4-5 star hotels will be gone bust because of this crisis.
16 years
Interesting, cheers.
Indeed. However, it is a principle of capitalism that it is impossible to have infinite expansion in a definite environment. Should we say that HW is in a crisis, a bubble just waiting to be burst? :rolleyes:
I stated in enough previous threads that why HW's monopoly on the market is not good for us. I won't repeat myself.
Well, my intention was not to express concern about Hostelworld. It´s just that I referred to the statistics in the HW inbox because those are pretty much the only ones I have. We do have own statistics about the nationalities of our guests, but the nightshift makes them and I guess they aren´t too accurate. That´s that.
My assumtion is: if something unusual happens in HW´s statistics, something unusual happens - because they do in fact have a de-facto-monopoly.
Budapest is -26% on last month. Unfortunately can't provide you statistics about previous year, but we have -35% less bookings up to date comparing to previous month. At least our walk ins can compensate it.
I note those monthly changes on an excel sheet. Since HW has a de-facto-monopoly you get a pretty good picture of how the number of people coming into town changes over the years, and how your own hostel compares to the overall trend.
So what we have here comparing to last year? 30% less Aussies due the weak AUD, 50% less Americans due the financial crisis and 20% less Brits due the bad economy in the UK. Overall 30% less of the major nationalities.
Interesting - the number of Aussies is still constant here. I guess a big number of Aussies care more about the GBP-EUR exchange rate than the AUD-EUR rate, because so many of them live in London.
About Americans, most of them travels on a debt instead of savings (this is a typical American thing, being in debt for your whole life), either from a bank (that's hard nowadays) or from daddy's credit (I don't think many of them can afford such luxury now).
Strange, isn´t it? It´s the same in South America. I remember when I bought a coach ticket in Brazil on my credit card, they have asked me if I want them to charge it now or in six months. WTF?
I wonder how many 4-5 star hotels will be gone bust because of this crisis.
Let´s hope there´ll be many of them! :)
I just had a funny chat with another hostel manager - he said the best way to open a hostel in New York now is to buy a bank. Banks are really cheap now and they are usually located in prime locations. Buy a bank, ask Hank Paulson for some bailout money, then kick out the furniture and replace it with bunks. :D
16 years
Interesting, cheers.
No problems! ;) I hope other hostels are willing to share their stats! :)
Well, my intention was not to express concern about Hostelworld. It´s just that I referred to the statistics in the HW inbox because those are pretty much the only ones I have. We do have own statistics about the nationalities of our guests, but the nightshift makes them and I guess they aren´t too accurate. That´s that.
My assumtion is: if something unusual happens in HW´s statistics, something unusual happens - because they do in fact have a de-facto-monopoly.
Well, I did not want to express only concerned about HW, but rather about a de-facto monopoly affecting on the market. As I mentioned before, if HW messes up something (or just can't react on any market changes), that affects a lot to hostels. None of us can afford such luxury, innit?
Maybe we can split the topic and have some separate ones like:
- How does HW's monopoly affects on the evolution and market expansion of hostels?
- How does this financial crisis effects the budget tourism?
Interesting - the number of Aussies is still constant here. I guess a big number of Aussies care more about the GBP-EUR exchange rate than the AUD-EUR rate, because so many of them live in London.
That wouldn't explain why Aussies are less in our hostel. :confused:
You ain't here yet! :D
Strange, isn´t it? It´s the same in South America. I remember when I bought a coach ticket in Brazil on my credit card, they have asked me if I want them to charge it now or in six months. WTF?
I guess those days are over and unfortunately it can badly affect Americans backpacking Europe.
Let´s hope there´ll be many of them! :)
I just had a funny chat with another hostel manager - he said the best way to open a hostel in New York now is to buy a bank. Banks are really cheap now and they are usually located in prime locations. Buy a bank, ask Hank Paulson for some bailout money, then kick out the furniture and replace it with bunks. :D
I guess such hostel would have 100% security then! :D
16 years
No problems! ;) I hope other hostels are willing to share their stats! :)
There´s always hope...
Well, I did not want to express only concerned about HW, but rather about a de-facto monopoly affecting on the market. As I mentioned before, if HW messes up something (or just can't react on any market changes), that affects a lot to hostels. None of us can afford such luxury, innit?
Maybe we can split the topic and have some separate ones like:
- How does HW's monopoly affects on the evolution and market expansion of hostels?
Start that thread! :)
That wouldn't explain why Aussies are less in our hostel. :confused:
You ain't here yet! :D
Pleased to see we hold the line against the trend! :)
I guess those days are over and unfortunately it can badly affect Americans backpacking Europe.
Yup - that´s why I had an eye at the stats in the first place. We could do without Hostelworld, but Americans will be more difficult to replace.
I guess such hostel would have 100% security then! :D
Well... I would put a big sign on the roof, in Arabic: "Do not fly planes into this building, the infidel imperialists are elsewhere now".
16 years
I wonder if the recent addition of AdSense on Hostelworld could be to try to make up for a decreasing number of Americans booking hostels... (?)
16 years
Depends what those Google ads are. Google customizes them for every user, right? When I watch YouTube, there´s often a Google ad for a muslim matchmaking agency. Apparently Google thinks I´m a muslim looking for a burqa girl! :confused:
16 years
Google displays ads based on content on the page, and possibly from the visitor's personal data that Google collects.
A hostel booking makes a booking engine 10% (sometimes plus booking fee), which is significant. A click on AdSense takes the user away from a site and usually just makes cents, though it depends on the keywords. Total AdSense income on a high traffic site with the right keywords can be a lot though so who knows. The last I heard, the highest AdSense publisher in N. America was making $500,000 per month out of his living room. Could be a significant amount of extra income. I don't know...
16 years
Nevermind, I was only joking about my funny Google ads. On the HW page, I see ads for other hotel booking engines, for example hrs.de and booking.com, which are quite big in the German market.
I assume HW gets quite a remarkable amount for these ads, but then I think money is not one of their top priorities; they make quite a lot already. There is a strategic aspect to that: apparently, some time ago, Hostelworld came to the same conclusion as Lonely Planet: they have a lot of frequent users, but those users get older and will eventually not be happy with hostelling on a shoestring any more. That is why they tried very hard to expand their service to the hotel market.
Now, they have google ads for proper hotel booking sites on their site. That move is of course in direct contrary to that strategy, because they´ll lose users to these sites. Either they aren´t aware of that (unlikely), or they don´t care (unlikely) or they effectively gave that strategy up for some extra cash right now. Right?
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