
12 years
I'm not an expert as hosteller, but as backpacker: I'd suggest you to divide it in 2 or 3 rooms instead of a big one for 14-20 ppl.
12 was already big, thus, I'd never stay in a 16 or more room!
Hello all!
I am from Taipei, Taiwan, and in the process of organizing for the start of a new youth hostel here; I have a question that (may really seem like a n00b question) I am wondering about right now.
Since the location restrictions, I can most likely operate a 14-20 dorm bed size hostel, without offering singles or other types of rooms.
Is this a viable sort of option for a youth hostel?
Thanks a lot! Let me know if the question is too broad!
12 years
I'm not an expert as hosteller, but as backpacker: I'd suggest you to divide it in 2 or 3 rooms instead of a big one for 14-20 ppl.
12 was already big, thus, I'd never stay in a 16 or more room!
12 years
There are a lot of factors that will determine if your setup would be viable. 14-20 beds could certainly work under the right conditions. (Personally, I would LOVE to run a 20-bed hostel!)
Start by answering these questions for yourself and it should give you some idea of whether your hostel would be viable or not. You certainly don’t need to give us specific numbers, but I’m curious to hear if these calculations work out in your favor or not.
12 years
Thank you guys for this post- this forum is so helpful - I do love it and I've been learning a lot with!! Can I make part of this discussion too?? As you Rob I was also collecting information about how to run a hostel and then I got a great opportunity to make it happens. It's a 21 bed hostel, on the beach, in Brazilian Northeast Paradise (it has all furniture and etc, great reviews, my friend was running it but she has to go back to her country 'cause her son is very sick) - and I would like your help Rucksack Brian too.
+ It's a small hostel, so I guess I can run it myself as my friend used to do (I mean I wanna run it with a partner but so far I haven’t find one, aren't you interested Rocksack Brian, by the way?!) - of course I'll get help with cleanliness (twice or three times a week) and high season with one more receptionist (internship for 3 months). I'm not required by law to have 24 hours reception, but I'll be there for my guest if they need (I'll live there at least the first years)
+ I do have to pay rent (I’ll negotiate to buy it)
+ There are two more hostels at the city and it has really bad reviews on internet (staff and cleanliness), their fees are very good I hardly will be able to make it less expensive - and to keep my turnover at the safe point, I can rent the rooms for foreigner exchange students (there is a great university at the area and a lot of demand for a good place to stay - 9 of them can save my finances with a small profit). The area need people to foster it, they have a great potential but not a lot of people to develop it – bright minds keep investing in South and Southeast of Brazil (Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo, Florianopolis...)
+ I'm doing it as a lifestyle choice but of course a need some profit.
What else I have to know before to make the deal?? I have to say YES or NO on May!!
12 years
+ It's a small hostel, so I guess I can run it myself as my friend used to do (I mean I wanna run it with a partner but so far I haven’t find one, aren't you interested Rocksack Brian, by the way?!) - of course I'll get help with cleanliness (twice or three times a week) and high season with one more receptionist (internship for 3 months). I'm not required by law to have 24 hours reception, but I'll be there for my guest if they need (I'll live there at least the first years)
That’s an incredibly tempting prospect:) It will definitely be easier on you when there is someone else to share the responsibilities and the workload. Running a one-man-show for years on end would be extremely exhausting.
Are you thinking about expanding the hostel after the first couple years?
+ There are two more hostels at the city and it has really bad reviews on internet (staff and cleanliness), their fees are very good I hardly will be able to make it less expensive - and to keep my turnover at the safe point, I can rent the rooms for foreigner exchange students (there is a great university at the area and a lot of demand for a good place to stay - 9 of them can save my finances with a small profit).
If the competition has really bad reviews and you have good reviews, then you shouldn’t try to be less expensive than they are. Let them be the cheap ones, and you can be the quality option in the city. Your guests will probably be a lot more enjoyable than theirs!
It’s good that your friend has already been running the hostel for a while so you can get an accurate idea of the demand. Based on her records, do you think that you would reach an average of 9 travelers per night if you didn’t rent rooms to foreign exchange students? (A common sentiment on this forum is that long term guests can become unpleasant company in a hostel, even if they start out super nice) As a backup plan in a worst case scenario, you could convert the hostel into a boarding house for those students and still make a profit. It wouldn’t be as much fun though.;)
What else I have to know before to make the deal?? I have to say YES or NO on May!!
Above all, you need to be really motivated to make this happen. Before you sign anything, ask yourself if you are prepared to eat, sleep, and breathe your hostel. If you’re going to run the business primarily on your own, then you will have to be. It will become your baby and you will dedicate yourself to it full time. Are you ready for that? Does that make you excited? (For what it’s worth, I’m excited for you!!)
12 years
Thank you very much, you put a big smile on my face and yes, I'm really excited about everything related to the hostel - Feel ready to feed and breath, full time, my baby Hostel =D lol
I took note of all piece of advice you gave me and tomorrow I'm going to make those points above all clear ;)
I hope very soon to have the opportunity to have you as my guest right here, in a smal, fun, trendy hostel - my hostel!!
I keep you up to date about all the progress, for what it's worth
12 years
I don't know if this helps you, marips, but I used to work in a 50 bed hostel that only employed 2 receptionists and made up the cleaning crew of 'volunteer' guests.
4 hours work = 1 free night and free breakfast.
Cleaning toilets and making beds is hardly a science, and the potential numbers of cleaners increase and decrease with seasonal flux.
I don't know about the laws regarding this where you are in the world, but it may be worth looking into.
Advantages: No contracts or taxable costs, No staff rooms required
Disadvantages: The whole process is somewhat unreliable.
12 years
Hi guys,,
The same problem here....
I'm planning a total of 12 beds. Less people, less confusion and the experience could work better i hope. I'd like quite people interested in culture, personal contacts, gastronomy... not just looking for cheap bear and other toxic stuff. What do yoou thing?
As i'm alone and i would never have many turists i was thinking to offer nice activities during the day and in upper season something at night. But if there was just a few guys... Would it be nice to leave them alone? I could suggest them something to do? what do you think? How can a person live 24 hours 7 days a week available? Speccially someone who has a geek as boyfriend... :D
Hope to hear opinion about this.
best regards
rita
12 years
Hi Rita,
If you want quiet people who are interested in culture, gastronomy and personal contact you can make an attempt to target them specifically. Here are some suggestions for getting the guests you want.
If you do run a small quiet place, you could probably leave the backpackers alone without causing any problems. Are they likely to go out on the town at night, or is it the kind of city where everyone stays home? You can always give them something to do like play a board game or start a deep discussion, or simply let them sleep. There are plenty of places that do not offer 24-hour reception.
Will you sleep on-site? If you do, then they can always wake you up if they need something urgently in the middle of the night. If you won’t sleep at the hostel, then it might not be a bad idea to hire someone or let someone stay for free in exchange for being on-call at night. With 12 beds it seems like a shame to give one of them away, but it might be cheaper than hiring someone.
12 years
Hi,
:)What about an hostel for families? Do you think it would work? I could have a quite place for those that don't want to hear noisy kids... and a space for the kids. It would never be too many kids. I just have space for 12 people :D I believe sooner or later backpackers also have little bakpackers!
cheers
12 years
Another part of the answer is being able to offer 15 beds online as something like 45 beds online with 1 agent. Then connecting them to many agents so that your 15 bed hostel is selling 200+ beds online without the risk of double booking and targeting those that want dorm rooms as well as those that want private rooms. Our software enables rooms to be sold as dorms and private concurrently. Here is our crappy film explaining this a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLF4R-abZXg
When I owned a larger and a smaller hostel I found that I got as much profit from the smaller 22 bed hostel. As the larger hostel was leased and needed lots of staff, it was not so much fun in the longer term. The smaller hostel was being paid off with the income and required less staff. I was much more in favour of the smaller hostel. But it needs to have a higher occupancy rate. But this is easier to achieve when using good software.
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